tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post3632651700890833950..comments2023-09-04T06:53:19.324-07:00Comments on THE ART OF DAVE PIMENTEL: Mr. Stick man vs. the contour approachDave Pimentelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01296660254978195721noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-40723803697172779512011-12-15T09:24:14.168-08:002011-12-15T09:24:14.168-08:00Great!Great!Alfredo Rafael Habersham-Pabónhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14444251031343999957noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-2028346428274419242011-11-07T00:38:30.629-08:002011-11-07T00:38:30.629-08:00Thank you for this post! It is definitely helpful ...Thank you for this post! It is definitely helpful for aspiring artists like me who happened to be guilty of using the stickman in my early days of life drawing.<br />Though I am more familiar with Glenn Vilppu's approach to gesture drawing, I find they both have some similarities with each other and that this is just as valuable in gathering tools to capture motion and emotion.<br />I am for sure going to practice more of this. :)rzlnthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01111612140507063280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-52126225485373214812011-09-03T02:24:54.846-07:002011-09-03T02:24:54.846-07:00this is good stuff! thanks for sharing this.this is good stuff! thanks for sharing this.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17785948999234479124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-86291620187983737302011-08-26T14:59:53.621-07:002011-08-26T14:59:53.621-07:00What did Mr. Stanchfield say? Practice?What did Mr. Stanchfield say? Practice?AlexanderLeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14409389299742719375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-11104410197456516372010-12-01T12:22:55.853-08:002010-12-01T12:22:55.853-08:00I thank you deeply, Mr. Dave. Recently I've be...I thank you deeply, Mr. Dave. Recently I've been rebuilding the way I think and construct my drawings from the very basics, but I still hasn't found a reliable and interesting alternative for Mr. Stick Man, and ended up using the "Mr. Ballon Boy" approach. Your method is useful, smart, and incredibly expressive, and it rings true to me. Gonna change my way of drawing yet again, and I'll do it gladly!<br /><br />PS: Sorry for the terrible english.Leo Pinheiro a.k.a. Morghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02681003790144576753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-27210971244626917482010-11-19T07:29:48.864-08:002010-11-19T07:29:48.864-08:00Thank you for this lesson Mr. Pimentel. I can'...Thank you for this lesson Mr. Pimentel. I can't wait to try it out!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03350517231144850658noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-31293936511982427492010-10-19T14:17:00.519-07:002010-10-19T14:17:00.519-07:00I just noticed my coworker who went to a different...I just noticed my coworker who went to a different school then me draws your way, with a contour line following the rhythmic edge of the model, and his proportions are always solid. So I guess it'll just be a matter of practice and grinding through the bad drawings until I can let go of my old way to pick up a new one. <br />thanksAlonsohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02805049234657129031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-61099789056192978272010-10-19T11:05:32.128-07:002010-10-19T11:05:32.128-07:00(yeah, sorry for my harsh tone, above)
I think tha...(yeah, sorry for my harsh tone, above)<br />I think that I will need my stickman training wheels for a little while longer. This is good encouragement to stop using it when it isn't helping me any longer.Johnnyburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12004148485704278283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-81128630875584986492010-10-19T10:06:39.851-07:002010-10-19T10:06:39.851-07:00I greatly appreciate everyone's comments, even...I greatly appreciate everyone's comments, even Johnnyburn's. I love that owl approach! It's one of the funniest things I've ever come across. <br />Alonso,<br />I really think that you will eventually graduate from the under drawings as you begin to trust yourself and your ability. All that under drawing is in your artist's mind and after you've done a ton of drawing you'll begin to gain so much confidence that you'll want more challenge and I believe you'll do great!Dave Pimentelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296660254978195721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-70974319497588199152010-10-19T10:04:44.492-07:002010-10-19T10:04:44.492-07:00Johnnyburn: I hate to say this, but personally I ...Johnnyburn: I hate to say this, but personally I feel that there is only one excuse for bad drawing. Your not that passionate about it. This post is for people obsessed with drawing. People who are obsessed want to learn and put in the thousands of hours it takes to study and learn. Dave is far from arrogant. And for people who are not passionate about drawing who don't draw at least five or more hours a day, I say, "Let them eat cake."rad sechristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00304715175611146778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-9246480121474993712010-10-18T11:11:19.439-07:002010-10-18T11:11:19.439-07:00I agree with Alonso. Proportions are based on bon...I agree with Alonso. Proportions are based on bone because bone does not change with pose. Although I understand and appreciate the idea in this post, I find this post to be a little arrogant to beginning artists in a "Let them eat cake" sort of way. "Why don't you just write the final draft of the novel the first time? Saves typing!"<br /><br />Construction lines are used to construct the figure. The figure is constructed of bones. Outline curves change length based at least on overlap and inner corner vs. outer corner.<br /><br />I believe that you have learned to draw figures in proportion well enough that you are able to draw silhouettes that look very good from the first line you put on the paper. This relies on your internal visualization of the form, if not a 'stick' put on the paper. It takes time to learn that skill.<br /><br />Just because you've internalized the process doesn't mean it isn't an important and necessary step. Thank you for the interesting post.<br /><br />Remember the beginner: "How to draw an owl"<br />http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=195080Johnnyburnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12004148485704278283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-91581810580347782922010-10-11T22:35:11.534-07:002010-10-11T22:35:11.534-07:00maybe I'm still just to much of a noob, but if...maybe I'm still just to much of a noob, but if I try and go with just designy lines (straight vs curves) my proportions get all jacked up. <br /><br />Only way I can get in the ball park is laying down a gesture line and loosely sketching in head/ribs/ pelvis masses, then I can flow the contour and limb lines afterwards.<br /><br />But starting with contour lines I wind up with odd unappealing shapes for my main masses. <br /><br />Is this just lack of training? Lack of practice? Or am I failing to grasp something?Alonsohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02805049234657129031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-86555778161741920922010-10-11T18:06:33.002-07:002010-10-11T18:06:33.002-07:00Like others, I've also been guilty of using th...Like others, I've also been guilty of using the stickman from time to time. Great post! Can't wait to try a different approach.C.Debodahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00633878931753933016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-5042620153176700262010-10-10T18:56:19.334-07:002010-10-10T18:56:19.334-07:00I give this principle in my animation classes...
i...I give this principle in my animation classes...<br />i never belived in the stick man!!!<br />i tryed hard to use it but it never worked to me...<br />I think silhouette, line of action...go through the side, not the middle of the structure...it goes through where there[s tension!<br />i must say the drawings are just perfect to explain it! thanks!Santiago Lozanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16170600029329889575noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-30228801380081276432010-10-09T22:21:36.278-07:002010-10-09T22:21:36.278-07:00super awesome and useful post, and yes i do agree ...super awesome and useful post, and yes i do agree with the idea of making lines matter; contours can be very misleading from what I've read here "also observed in my own work" to think of them as edges of from is the most helpful. thank you for sharing this.amirhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08600609858636642140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-32288023156757633762010-10-09T04:13:55.273-07:002010-10-09T04:13:55.273-07:00This is great advice. Thanks and keep up the good ...This is great advice. Thanks and keep up the good work !Quentin Lebeguehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09780101710412702578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-82535854158150814282010-10-07T18:30:16.046-07:002010-10-07T18:30:16.046-07:00great post mr pimentel.great post mr pimentel.chromasketchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05547982158467508511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-224406248047340982010-10-07T17:45:04.489-07:002010-10-07T17:45:04.489-07:00One blonde Girl!
You're ahead of the curve! ...One blonde Girl! <br /><br />You're ahead of the curve! Keep up the good shape oriented teaching!Dave Pimentelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01296660254978195721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-79714976503178071742010-10-07T17:12:42.046-07:002010-10-07T17:12:42.046-07:00If it makes you feel any better, I'm an art te...If it makes you feel any better, I'm an art teacher and I've never heard of (or seen) Mr. Stickman before. I teach my students to draw using contour lines.Aprilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00429718256691772971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-26408353974272385322010-10-07T16:53:16.476-07:002010-10-07T16:53:16.476-07:00Thanks a ton for posting this! I will practice thi...Thanks a ton for posting this! I will practice this technique and make stickman go away!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-91945677583041407462010-10-07T15:28:21.075-07:002010-10-07T15:28:21.075-07:00Great post Dave. I was going through a system of ...Great post Dave. I was going through a system of drawing staring with the stick figure and i was starting to get it down, but was looking forward to someday bypassing that step. I feel confident i can skip now that i've read your post. More posts like this would be great ;) Keep up the great work!<br /><br />God Bless,<br />Georgegcastro3dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342089772466221153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-3993362924118862882010-10-07T12:27:37.490-07:002010-10-07T12:27:37.490-07:00Sweet post Dave!!Sweet post Dave!!rad sechristhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00304715175611146778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-89394784713083927602010-10-07T12:01:36.771-07:002010-10-07T12:01:36.771-07:00Great thoughts! I'll add a kudo to Clay's ...Great thoughts! I'll add a kudo to Clay's bravo(and I don't give those out too often either). <br /><br />This just popped up and already all these comments. Now I'm greedy for more, more--more posts!Jenny Lerewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06668171465801333811noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-38731706563200055182010-10-07T09:48:26.180-07:002010-10-07T09:48:26.180-07:00Bravo Dave! Awesome post. (I don't give out to...Bravo Dave! Awesome post. (I don't give out too many bravos.)Clay Kaytishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12694894319873375742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24963878.post-46159285048686737492010-10-07T09:46:01.605-07:002010-10-07T09:46:01.605-07:00Magnificent! Thanks, Dave - this is something I...Magnificent! Thanks, Dave - this is something I'm still struggling with, and I appreciate the insight you share.Ronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17770368727338164449noreply@blogger.com